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Joe Biden Could ‘Follow Trump’s Lead’ and Ignore Republican House Subpoena

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-could-follow-trump-lead-ignore-republican-house-subpoena-1762118?amp=1
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u/lovewhatyoucan Nov 26 '22

Anyone with a sliver of empathy is constantly dealing with the consequences of bringing a conscience to a sociopath fight.

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u/BigBeagleEars Texas Nov 26 '22

I was gonna say, you see that pic?

Ask me how I got this smile

dark Brandon

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u/OutwittedFox Nov 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

This is all you need to read.

“Oversight Republicans made clear their investigation was about the president, alleging he "has misused his public positions to further his family's financial interests."

Why didn’t they care when the previous guy did it daily?

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u/Cimonaa Nov 26 '22

Projection. Always projection.

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u/Arbacrux- Nov 26 '22

if you’re projecting then what am I?

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u/resin85 Nov 26 '22

These twats need to get their stories straight. Just last week the guy the former guy tried to have hung said this:

“The Congress has no right to my testimony,” Pence said. “We have a separation of powers under the Constitution of the United States, and I believe it sets a terrible precedent for the Congress to summon a vice president of the United States to speak about deliberations that took place at the White House.”

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u/Bakoro Nov 26 '22

What a piece of shit. For people who have a hard time with subtext, what he said was that he has no respect for the concept of checks and balances.

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u/Ohbeejuan Nov 26 '22

He said that while also seemingly respecting separation of powers or checks and balances. Mike Pence is a lot of things, but a dummy is not one of them.

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u/GabaPrison Nov 26 '22

And the dumbass GOP base has no idea how important checks and balances are for a democracy to survive and function properly like it has for so many years. They just think as far as voting and don’t ponder any further about the reality of how govt works.

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u/judokalinker Nov 26 '22

Does Pence need to be reminded he isn't the current vice president?

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u/atters Nov 26 '22

Yes, and harshly.

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u/SurlyRed Nov 26 '22

Harangue Mike Pence

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u/colorcorrection California Nov 26 '22

Also what 'separation of powers' means. Although it's no surprise he doesn't seem to know, as he's taking the same approach he would the concept of separation of church and state.

His idea of separation of church and state: only evangelical Jesus is allowed to dictate the country

His idea of separation of power: only him and his friends should be allowed to be above checks and balances.

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u/SaturniansDontDream Nov 26 '22

LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU WE GOTTA STOP THIS MADMAN HIS SON HAS A LAPTOP THAT MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST WE GOTTA KNOW THE TRUTH /s

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u/Nolis Nov 26 '22

The fact that they're complaining of nepotism from Biden of all people, after Trump of all things, really tells you how fucking stupid they think their voter base is, and it turns out they're right

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u/Blockhead47 Nov 26 '22

While they’re looking for corruption, they should take a look at the $1.1 billion bailout, um, I mean 99 year lease that Qatar gave Jared Kushner in 2018 for his 666 5th Avenue building during the Trump administration.

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u/WildYams Nov 26 '22

Or the $2 billion "investment" they gave him in his highly suspect investment group after leaving office.

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u/Lykaon042 Nov 26 '22

Because during that time it was their guy doing the corruption.

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u/OldAssHat Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

... and also 45 was actually using is political position to further his wealth ...

Edit: totally not using his political position

White supremacists have the memory of goldfish.

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u/Zoloir Nov 26 '22

During this time it is still only their guy doing the corruption. Nothing more corrupt than investigating someone else who isn't corrupt because you benefit from doing so.

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u/Poo_Glorious Nov 26 '22

Because it's not about right and wrong, it's about power

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u/cookiemonster247 Nov 26 '22

Lol. Biden has published years worth of tax returns. He shows no signs of having money or spending money. If he truly was secretly funneling money into his own pocket, the IRS would be on his ass like a fly on shit

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u/Hike_it_Out52 Nov 26 '22

I like when they make up allegations without evidence and then ignore calls for justice while the evidence is perfectly clear.

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u/Basilbitch Nov 26 '22

Yeah I mean I don't see Biden putting the secret service up in Biden tower at an inflated rate for an undetermined amount of times for 4 years straight.

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u/Politicsboringagain Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

How many Chinese patents did the Trump family get from China while Trump was president?

Of course we will still see people pushing the lie that both parties are the same.

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u/NoWayNotThisAgain Nov 25 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

We’ve been through this. He’s the president. He can’t be subpoenaed.

He’s uhh… too busy or some shit like that.

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u/Oregon687 Nov 26 '22

Unless the SCOTUS changes its mind.

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u/Little_Orange_Bottle Nov 26 '22

Well. Let them enforce their rulings.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Biden needs to summon the spirit of Andrew Jackson and tell SCOTUS to enforce the bullshit they rule on.

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u/Local_Vermicelli_856 Nov 26 '22

"John Marshall has made his decision... now let him enforce it."

Pack the Court.

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u/Mundane_Rabbit7751 Nov 26 '22

I remember reading somewhere that apparently Jackson never actually said that.

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u/Local_Vermicelli_856 Nov 26 '22

Wasn't even reported until 20 years after his death... its possible I suppose.

But whatever. Still a great quote.

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u/TheNewYellowZealot Nov 26 '22

Things just moved a lot slower back then.

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u/itwasquiteawhileago New York Nov 26 '22

Fun fact: The 1960s are called "The Sixties" because that's when we first achieved 60 seconds per minute. They did it gradually at a rate of 6 seconds/year, which is why it took a decade.

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u/TheNewYellowZealot Nov 26 '22

That must be why in some parts of the country it’s still 1950.

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u/MotherShabooboo1974 Nov 26 '22

Right, Horace Greeley made it up for newspaper headlines. But Jackson likely thought it.

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u/natphotog Nov 26 '22

I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of great quotes by famous people were never said, at least not outside of their shower while replaying the conversation.

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u/chupathingy99 Nov 26 '22

"Titty sprinkles"

  • Morgan Freeman
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u/DukeOfGeek Nov 26 '22

The courts already been packed, what you mean is enlarge it.

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u/Worthyness Nov 26 '22

Preferably not the genocide part though

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u/Whatsapokemon Nov 26 '22

Isn't Andrew Jackson generally regarded as being a horrible president for doing this?

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u/fps916 Nov 26 '22

And the genocide thing it was about

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u/pyrflie Nov 26 '22

There is a reason they don't take 20s at Reservations.

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u/Waggmans Nov 26 '22

There was that little thing called The Trail of Tears.

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u/CustosEcheveria Nov 26 '22

Nope. Of the long list of reasons why he's a shitty President, that's not even in the top five

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u/Prothean_Beacon Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Actually it's arguably the worst thing he's done cause the thing he ignored the Supreme court for was the fact that they sided with the Native Americans about them not being removed from their lands. Andrew Jackson doing that is part of the trail of tears which is one of the most notorious atrocities committed by the United States government.

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u/Nvenom8 New York Nov 26 '22

Eh… maybe he’s not a guy we ought to be idolizing for any reason…

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u/sunnydaysahead2022 Nov 26 '22

Let them do it. They already look bad enough.

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u/maxToTheJ Nov 26 '22

It would be worth it for all the institution worshippers to get a slice of reality

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u/p001b0y Nov 26 '22

If they do, he can just answer “I don’t recall” to everything like Greene did.

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u/Clay_Statue Nov 26 '22

He doesn't have to because he didn't do anything worth pretending he forgot about to escape consequences.

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u/tylanol7 Nov 26 '22

its funny because they would use that to say he has alzheimers or somehsit

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u/randombsname1 Nov 26 '22

They say that anyway. So who gives a fuck.

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u/GeneralZaroff1 Nov 26 '22

Perfect. That’s what they think anyway so it’s not like they can suddenly reverse course “No he’s actually super clear headed and sharp! It’s all an act!”

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u/symphonicrox Utah Nov 26 '22

“A sitting president can’t be subpoenaed” haha 😂

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u/Dependa Nov 26 '22

I still can’t get over the fact the TFG stated as a president he has broad immunity.

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u/Trance354 Nov 26 '22

And she'll say she looked again and came to a "new understanding."

The goalposts just keep moving...

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u/Castilian_eggs Nov 26 '22

Like when Mitch McConnell said in 2016 'mark my words, if a Republican is president in 2020 I will still say he shouldn't confirm a Supreme Court judge' and in 2020 said 'I'm allowed to change my mind, and I have'. All they are after is power and these are just the words they use in the hopes of getting it, nothing they say can be trusted.

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u/148637415963 Nov 26 '22

The goalposts just keep moving...

"Indy, why do the goalposts move...?"

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u/Swimming_Crazy_444 Nov 26 '22

Biden has presidential community, that means no one he has ever talked to can be subpoenaed either. Thats a pretty big community too.

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u/tolacid Nov 26 '22

He had a live phone call during the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. That's a majority of the country inoculated against subpoena right there

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u/proriin Wyoming Nov 26 '22

My Body, My Subpoena!

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u/aintnochallahbackgrl Michigan Nov 26 '22

Can't subpoena a sitting president... or something...

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u/Blanketsburg Massachusetts Nov 26 '22

Predicting the goalposts moving: "You can subpoena a sitting president, but you can't subpoena a former president."

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u/xyakks Nov 26 '22

He has to stand up at some point

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u/Scrimshawmud Colorado Nov 26 '22

I wonder if he’s currently declassifying documents with his mind. I hear that’s what presidents do!

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u/morpheousmarty Nov 26 '22

He is invoking the possibility of executive privilege.

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u/gwgos1 Nov 26 '22

Or he can do what trump did: plead the 5th. Lmao. Wonder if ol gymmy will get pissed off. Lmao

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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '22 Helpful

Right?

Tell them he'll testify after they clear the entire backlog of republican subpoenas that have been totally ignored.

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u/UWCG Illinois Nov 26 '22

Wouldn't it be marvelous to watch the collective right-wing have a conniption while complaining that "no, that rule only applies if there's an R next to your name!"?

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u/philko42 Nov 26 '22

They'll just say "no, that rule only applies to politically motivated witch hunts; our subpoenas are legitimate".

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u/UWCG Illinois Nov 26 '22

They keep using that word legitimate, but I do not think they know what it means

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

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u/cutelyaware Nov 26 '22

Binders full of women. Wait, what are we doing now?

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u/aminal-factzz Nov 26 '22

“I do not think that word means what you think it means” -- a swordsman

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u/noonnoonz Nov 26 '22

Now that’s laying down the gauntlet….

“Inconceivable.” — a smart ass

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

What would be even more marvelous would be watching these assholes testify:

Mo Brooks, Jim Jordan, Kevin McMeathead, Mark Meadows, Stephen Miller, Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon, Michael Flynn, Rudy "just tucking my pants in" Giuliani, Sidney Powell

Plus a whole bunch more.

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u/Legionheir Nov 26 '22

They don’t care. Words only matter to those anchored to reality.

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u/NoComment002 Nov 26 '22

They use words only for the effects they have on people. Never trust them at their word.

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u/inquisitive_guy_0_1 I voted Nov 26 '22

I fully expect this to happen, and I don't think it will be marvelous at all. It will be annoying as shit.

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 Nov 26 '22

💯 It’ll be just like when McConnell stole supreme court seats. He insisted Garland couldn’t be seated because it was an election year and you can’t sit any new judges then. Then with Any Coney Barrett tho in the same situation with even less time he rammed her in immediately with the weak excuse that it’s diffe(R)ent when different parties control different branches of government. The rules don’t matter to republicans and neither does their blatant hypocrisy to their base.

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u/Important-Owl1661 Arizona Nov 26 '22

I like this answer

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u/splycedaddy Pennsylvania Nov 26 '22

First in first out

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u/BuckshotLaFunke Nov 26 '22

I’d love to testify but I’m currently under audit

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u/rowrbazzle75 Nov 26 '22

I'm also currently president. See Guy, Former for a precedent.

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u/sterno_joe Nov 26 '22

This is the perfect answer.

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u/Phoenixapartment Nov 26 '22

Omg yes. 100%

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u/stevenmoreso Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

“Hey, you know what the difference is between his executive privilege and my Executive Privilege?”

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u/WildYams Nov 26 '22

For one thing, Biden's claim of executive privilege would be even stronger since he's still in office 😂

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u/DanimusMcSassypants Nov 26 '22

Oversight Republicans made clear their investigation was about the president, alleging he "has misused his public positions to further his family's financial interests."

You have got to be fucking kidding me with this shit. These ghouls have zero shame.

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u/Rawkapotamus Nov 26 '22

I think that’s the point. They’re trying to see how much doublethink they can get away with before their supporters start to question it.

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u/OliverOOxenfree Nov 26 '22

The only question they have is "what letter is next to their name?" Bold of you to think republicans have any decency or honor

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u/SasparillaTango Nov 26 '22

Also zero evidence

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u/Whompa Nov 26 '22

It took how many years to get a Trump subpoena?

Get in line, Republicans.

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u/OtherBluesBrother Nov 26 '22

Biden should tell McCarthy his own words when he refused to cooperate with the Jan 6 committee, "It is not serving any legislative purpose."

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u/paegus Nov 26 '22

Whitehouse job listing: Memorize every one of Trump and GOP responses and call out with an appropriate one everytime the GOP opens their gobs.

5% raise if you can do the voice.

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u/Mooshmo Nov 26 '22

Exactly he should record trumps stated responses back and then play it on a song board as a response in the press conference.

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u/alien_from_Europa Massachusetts Nov 26 '22

We haven't had a sitting President testify before a subcommittee since 1974. https://www.senate.gov/committees/SittingPresidentsVicePresidentsWhoHaveTestifiedBeforeCongressionalCommittees.htm

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u/solo89 New York Nov 26 '22

I can't believe that's actually the URL!

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u/all_of_the_lightss Nov 26 '22

seems like one of those weird GFYcat generated ones

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u/bobbertwest Nov 26 '22

He definitely has more important things to do

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u/DerpTaTittilyTum Nov 26 '22

Honest question. Don’t you need probable cause? Republicans are basing this on conspiracy horseshit that’s been disproven time and time again

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u/borkthegee Nov 26 '22

Probable cause is in the constitution as a limit on the executive branch and how they enforce justice

Congress is different and their "investigations" or "subpoenas" are not criminal/civil law, are not law enforcement, etc. They're just legislative actions

If the house committee thought someone committed a crime, they could A) impeach them or B) refer them to the DOJ (executive branch) to apply criminal law to them through the courts. In B) the DOJ would have to respect constitutional law like probable cause for searches after that referral from Congress (like how the FBI needed probable cause to search trump's shithole in Florida)

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u/AdamCohn Nov 26 '22

"has misused his public positions to further his family's financial interests."

Since when do republicans care about this?

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u/LittleBallOfWait Nov 26 '22

The precedent has been set. Zero consequences for a president or his administration ignoring congressional subpoenas.

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u/rabidsnowflake Hawaii Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

This is what I've been saying. The damage has already been done. Even if you were a diehard Trump fan, you should've absolutely been worried about the precedents that the man set (and continues to set) as President if you even pretend to care about our form of government regardless of how you vote.

No one will ever hold the presidency more than twice and if the rules don't apply to everyone, it paves the way for whichever candidate you want to brand as the anti-Christ in the future. Some of those people may be worse than we've already had and the message has already been sent that we don't care about checks and balances.

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u/mabhatter Nov 26 '22

Exactly. Remember the Senate can still subpoena Trump under the exact same terms as the House does.

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u/KonoPez Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Seems reasonable. Tell him as soon as Trump shows up to testify, they can have Biden the next day.

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u/Mooshmo Nov 26 '22

This^

I am happy to testify as soon as Trump does. It looks like he has X number of outstanding. Once he testifies i will until then fuck off.

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u/cegr76 America Nov 26 '22

I liked Hillary's strategy. Stare them down for eleven hours without even sweating to show you have nothing to hide.

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u/all_of_the_lightss Nov 26 '22

playing Republican games just wastes time and entertains their delusional base.

Unless a lawyer/judge says you legally need to get roped into their bullshit, tell Trump's cult to F*** off.

This is all a charade to keep the narrative the next 2 years that "Biden is the same as Trump".

Not even remotely close. Biden released his taxes. He paid his taxes. He has not interfered with any DoJ investigations. He hasn't hired his kids for government jobs.

He is busy putting out 5 years of Trump dumpster fires. FOX is craving all chances to scroll the propaganda marquee that "Biden is on trial".

"We do not negotiate with terrorists"

-Ronald Reagan

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u/corbygray528 Nov 26 '22

"How can you trust them? They were questioned for 11 hours! You don't get questioned for 11 hours if you're innocent."

Or something along those lines.

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u/GameQb11 Nov 26 '22

But it worked for them. I knew reasonable people that didn't trust Hillary because of the emails.

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u/cegr76 America Nov 26 '22

The 11 hours was over Benghazi. She'd been a villain of the right since Bill's administration. Rush used to drag her for hours on his radio show.

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u/trogon Washington Nov 26 '22

She called it a vast right-wing conspiracy and she was correct.

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u/Hekili808 Nov 26 '22

The people grilling her (or attempting to do so) knew the exact details of Benghazi and knew that she couldn't answer many questions without sharing confidential information. They basically knew she was tied up and tried to beat the shit out of her.

She handled it like a champ. Unfortunately, most people only saw the worst 20 second clips that right-wing media could carve up to try to reduce her electability. And it worked.

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u/BreeBree214 Wisconsin Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 28 '22

They don't even need to use clips. Right wing media will come up with a narrative on how a hearing went and people will believe it because they didn't watch any of it

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u/trogon Washington Nov 26 '22

She had a 69% approval rating after she left as Secretary of State!

The smears were unrelenting and effective.

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u/SucksTryAgain Nov 26 '22

My coworker listens to a repub AM radio show in our company truck. I got in today and it was all about how Arizona was a stolen election and had some guy that’s higher up over there saying yea the proof is just so out in the open there’s no way we can lose a lawsuit and the radio guy said can you explain to the listeners the proof you have that will win this and he said I can’t go into detail cause this legal but I can say look at mail in voting. Theres a portion of your truth and I’ve done it many many years but now they used it to win elections. You see.

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u/enkafan West Virginia Nov 26 '22

appros of nothing, I was talking the other day that the democrats could win 10% more races if they put their money into some really kick ass country and classic rock AM stations with no commercials and some kinda funny but non-threatening DJs that basically read some simple facts about the local weather, sports and some news once an hour.

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u/Blanketsburg Massachusetts Nov 26 '22

She is still the villain of Benghazi. Despite those hours of testimony and the Republican-led investigation clearing her of wrongdoing, Benghazi is regularly a trending topic on Twitter, at least once or twice a month, because they still believe that the investigations were a sham and she's lying.

Facts have no ability to change how they feel.

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u/splycedaddy Pennsylvania Nov 26 '22

Its just a witch hunt. Pay no attention

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u/tildenpark Nov 26 '22

No, you don’t. You don’t know any reasonable people that didn’t/don’t trust Clinton because of the emails.

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u/ktulu0 Nov 26 '22 Silver

I’d argue that the director of the FBI reopening the email investigation in a very public manner, and 10 days before the election at that, went a long way toward seemingly lending credibility to the notion that Hillary Clinton had engaged in criminal wrongdoing. Mind you, a lot of people saw through that, but I also think a lot of people were duped into believing right wing propaganda because of Comey’s actions. There are reasonable people who are just low-information voters, and when a relatively high ranking government official makes a statement, it carries weight with them.

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u/JasJ002 Nov 26 '22

It wasn't even Comey, it was just shit timing. They found a whole bunch of new emails right before the election, and in the New York field office which was leaking info to the Trump team. Kind of a no win scenario. Thanks a lot Anthony Weiner.

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u/hypnosquid Nov 26 '22

The guy who ran the FBI New York field office quit the FBI right after he forced Comey’s hand and handed the Presidency to Trump.

He immediately went to work for the company that got Kushner his $2Billion payoff. If you remember the Steele Dossier, that money was the payout for the Rosneft deal described in the dossier.

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u/improbablywronghere Nov 26 '22 edited Nov 26 '22

Specifically they found a bunch of “new” emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop in that, because his wife who was Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager who had used his laptop previously to check emails, they found a bunch of copies of emails they already had. It was an absolute nothing burger they just verified there were no new ones.

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u/WildYams Nov 26 '22

You don't have to be a reasonable person to vote though. Hillary Clinton having to answer to a bunch of BS investigations that ultimately resulted in no findings absolutely damaged her credibility and electability in the eyes of a lot of voters. They may have all been unreasonable voters, but that bullshit absolutely cost her votes.

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u/Hythy Foreign Nov 26 '22

It doesn't have to be the specific thing that might tarnish a person, but the perception that that person's reputation has been tarnished. I am a Brit living/working in the UK, and I had an American colleague whom I totally respected, but she absolutely couldn't stand Clinton (but held her nose and voted Democrat). I asked her to give specific reasons for disliking Clinton, and she could not.

That's why the old saying goes "throw enough shit and some of it sticks". Often times the accusations can be absolute nothingburgers, but it still has an impact.

I've seen articles about MPs I dislike that complain that the MP racked up £100k in expenses. Which would be outrageous... were it not for the fact that that figure included the rent for office space used for meeting with constituents, and the salaries paid to their staff. However, most people aren't going to see those caveats, and will just remember that that MP had £100k in expenses -and assume it was spent on caviar or something.

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u/greennalgene Nov 26 '22

That didn't really work in anybodies favor though. They are still on about her emails.

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u/Neat_On_The_Rocks Nov 26 '22

Problem is I don’t know if Biden has the same capacity. Even when you’ve nothing to hide, doing what Hillary did is extremely difficult. To handle a situation like that with tact and poise while projecting strength and confidence. For 11 hours or so. Very demanding and difficult and I doubt Biden has the stamina.

To be clear I’m not saying it matters. It only matters in make believe political points. But if he’s doing ir to try and score a win in that way, doubt.

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u/dljens Nov 26 '22

It's fucking incredible that the biggest "gotcha" they have is being involved in his son's business dealings...

... After Donald fucking Trump.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

I'd rather he go, make a big deal out of it, and then yell at each and every one of them for their treachery and treason, abuse of power, and make it clear to the American people that he will not let them make a mockery of our democracy. Then storm out.

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u/TheFudge Nov 26 '22

This would be awesome. Have him walk in and say he would like to make a statement, proceed to give them a sound thrashing and end with “I have much more important things to do so please stop wasting mine and the American peoples time” then get up and walk out.

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u/Mission_Ad6235 Nov 26 '22

No Malarkey Biden is my favorite.

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u/Expensive-Ad-4508 Nov 26 '22

I’m sorry but that’s a close second to Dank Brandon.

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u/011011010110110 Pennsylvania Nov 26 '22

Delaware Dark Malarkey is my new favorite strain dude, see if you can find it next time you're at the dispo

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u/America_the_Horrific Nov 26 '22

Dark Brandon, secret mastermind of the MIC and Russias demise is my current favorite

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u/SquidmanMal Pennsylvania Nov 26 '22

he would like to make a statement

'Shadow is a bitchass mofo'

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u/tunamelts2 Nov 26 '22

What are they going to do when he leaves? Arrest him? LMAOOOO

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u/kandoras Nov 26 '22

"I'm not subpoenaed in here with you, you're subpoenaed in here with me."

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u/TheElbow California Nov 26 '22

Just “Come on Man!” for 6 hours.

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u/LurkerNinetyFive United Kingdom Nov 26 '22

It’s a lose lose. If he testifies republicans will say he’s guilty, if he doesn’t they’ll call him corrupt.

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u/TornadosArentReal Nov 26 '22

This is already what they say

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u/APoopingBook Nov 26 '22

Right? Oh no what will the conservatives do if we don't placate them! Attempt a coup? Build up militias? Attack governors?

Fuck em all to hell already, stop placating these human urinal cakes.

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u/WildYams Nov 26 '22

Which is why Biden would have literally nothing to gain by testifying. The whole thing will be a put up job so that the Republicans can take turns yelling at anyone they call before them, just so the clips can get played on Fox News and so they can then do softball interviews about those clips. There's zero to be gained by Biden getting down and rolling around in the mud with a bunch of pigs.

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u/This-Independence-50 Nov 26 '22

The republican base rarely investigates anything beyond headlines - remember when Trump would sign an EO of a law already in place? Base loved it. They thought he was getting things done.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

He needs to put on shades, and give a little smirk and then walk off with a secret service agent in tow, ice cream in hand ready to go

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u/LeagueOfDraaaven Nov 26 '22

Well, he would, but you see, his testimony is getting audited. When the audit completes he’ll be happy to release his testimony. It’s the best testimony, people say.

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u/NinJesterV American Expat Nov 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

For all the comments saying Biden's ignoring these subpoenas would "normalize" ignoring House subpoenas, you've got it backwards.

If Biden answers the summon, we're normalizing bogus "investigations" started for absurd reasons with no merit or reason to exist.

Make no mistake: If Biden answers one subpoena from this stupid GOP House Party, they will just keep doing it.

Ignoring this absurdity is the only course of action.

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u/SuperEagleGuy Nov 26 '22

Step 1: Ignore all subpoenas

Step 2: Wait for Republicans to cry foul about ignoring subpoenas

Step 3: Wait for Republicans to demand that the DOJ arrest subpoena violators

Step 4: Arrest every subpoena violator from Trump's entire presidency

Step 5: Watch Republican heads explode

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u/nklights Nov 26 '22

As a guy who loathes reality shows… I would 100% watch this one.

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u/TheWorstAmy Nov 26 '22

Call up Montel Jordan cause this is how we do it.

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u/alien_from_Europa Massachusetts Nov 26 '22

I wonder if he can challenge in court that the subpoenas are frivolous in an attempt to obstruct the duties of the President? Congress cannot violate the executive privilege that allows the President to do his job by signing frequent subpoenas.

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u/amkosh Nov 26 '22

He can do this. Its called a motion to quash a subpoena. Then Biden's DoJ lawyers and the House committee lawyers go in front a DC Federal District court judge and the judge will issue a decision. Then whoever loses will appeal it to the DC Court of Appeals. And unless the judge made a mistake in procedure or law, it will likely be upheld. Then it likely will get sent to SCOTUS, and quite likely denied cert.

Its impossible to determine what will happen with a subpoena which hasn't been written yet, but unless the house committee shows that it is in the committee's purview, and that Hunter Biden actually broke a law, and that something in the investigation actually implicates Joe Biden, and that Joe Biden has relevant testimony, it very likely will get quashed as an illegal subpoena.

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u/actuallyserious650 Nov 26 '22

Sooner or later you realize there are no rules, just people agreeing to what’s reasonable. Nothing Biden can do or not do will cause republicans to start acting reasonably, especially when Republican judges are in the highest courts.

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u/ProximusSeraphim Nov 26 '22

Sooner or later you realize there are no rules, just people agreeing to what’s reasonable.

Its crazy how i realized that this was all based on an honor system when Trump took office. And republicans have no honor.

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u/splycedaddy Pennsylvania Nov 26 '22

Republicans exposed a major flaw. Panels/committees cant actually do anything. And if they cant, maybe they shouldn’t.

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u/osuhookups Nov 26 '22

That's the thing, Trump proved that a lot of stuff we thought was law was actually just tradition so just uno reverse card them.

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u/teddykaygeebee Nov 26 '22

Jfc. This is the same party that uses executive privilege for everything with their pres but it can't be used by others?! These people, man. I hope they try and Biden laughs in their face.

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u/Chicago-Red-Eye Nov 26 '22

Why should any democrat respect any Republican subpoena after the last few years?

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u/luckydog1984 Nov 26 '22

Republicans are to be scoffed at and ignored, just like any ordinary day.

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u/AFartInYourMouth Nov 26 '22

I thought sitting presidents couldn't be charged because ::insert denial of reality here::

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u/downtownbake2 Nov 26 '22

Hunter should go and just say "look I want to keep things fair that's all. So give me a 800 million fed backed loan to buy low income housing and get the Saudis to give me 2 billion just like Trumps son in law received.

Keep things fair

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u/Bitey_the_Squirrel America Nov 26 '22

I read an article where Obama said that Biden and everyone else should cooperate fully to get it over with quickly. This shows me that Obama learned nothing in this topic in his 8 years in office, because the BS investigations will never end. In fact, I would say that hastening the investigations by cooperating would allow republicans to bring more charges than if he stalls. I would think it’s better to not cooperate and make fun of their investigations because they aren’t legitimate.

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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 Nov 26 '22

I’d have to read the article because I think Obamas more shrewd than that and just tries to not show his hand.

But agreeing that’s a terrible idea regardless. The right would immediately take clips out of context, edit shit Project Veritas style, and have it on all their sketchy “news” sites and youtube videos immediately. They’re not acting in good faith and can’t be stopped by trying to play their game.

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u/kitchen_synk Nov 26 '22

It's unfortunately kind of a catch 22. If he does show up, you get all the soundbites, but if he doesn't, the right wingnuts will get to crow endlessly about the 'double standard', with democrats supporting Biden but not Trump skipping out.

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u/Bitey_the_Squirrel America Nov 26 '22

Agreed. But he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. My advice would be to not play their game, and address the American people directly. It lets him gets his message out there, and control the narrative without any circus theatrics from republicans.

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u/big_nothing_burger Nov 26 '22

"I'll show up when Trump finds the balls to do the same."

The Dark Brandon moment I need.

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u/Beautiful_Fee_655 Nov 26 '22

So what would the subpoena be about - his SON’s business dealings? Is that all they have on him?

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u/escargeaux Nov 26 '22

If only they actually did things for Americans instead of paying fuck-fuck games.

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u/thatsithlurker Nov 26 '22

Every unprecedented move Republicans allowed Trump should be force fed back to them in kind. It’s all fair until everything they endorsed, defended, and died on a hill on becomes wrong and unprecedented, and a total disregard of tradition when a Democrat even considers it.

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u/zeruch Nov 26 '22

Every unprecedented move Republicans allowed Trump should be force fed back to them in kind.

They will be. If there is one arena where the 'law of unintended consequences' happens like clockwork, it's the lege. Neither party has a long game strategy in that regard, but the GOP is truly stupid in handing those tools over to the Dems, and the Dems are only occasionally good at using them, which is probably why the GOP keeps hoping.

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u/SectionOk2775 Nov 25 '22

Good. Fuck them.

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u/LaCiel_W Nov 26 '22

Trump eroded our justice system so much, it's gonna have a long lasting effect.

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u/Darth__Monday Nov 26 '22

alleging he "has misused his public positions to further his family's financial interests."

The audacity of republicans to put up such a disingenuous charade after four years of blatant nepotism from their golden calf is just mind boggling.

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u/fowlraul Oregon Nov 26 '22

Don’t ever follow trump’s lead, ever. It leads to…pick your hell

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u/Wildfire9 Nov 26 '22

Honestly he should do just that. Point out the holes in their bullshit standards, show them that two can play that game.

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u/CaptOblivious Illinois Nov 26 '22

Being the victim of ones's own actions seems to be one of the few remaining "core values" of the republican/right.

Every bad thing they let the spray orange insurrectionist get away with is now established precedent for every new President.

In the long run, allowing the tRump to ignore Constitutionally mandated Congressional oversight is going to hurt them more than it helped them.

Alternatively, they can choose to help the left prosecute the insurrectionist and help write laws to actually force what used to be gentlemens agreements regarding the running of the government.

(LOL, like any of that will happen)

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u/Archangel1313 Nov 26 '22

This is no different than Hillary sitting for how many hours of testimony, in order to show that she had nothing to hide? She humiliated them, by simply answering all of their questions honestly.

Trump is completely incapable of doing the same.

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u/someoneexplainit01 Nov 26 '22

Stupid clickbait.

Presidents and Attorney Generals have always ignored subpoenas, because they can and there is NOTHING the house can do about it.

Everyone makes a big deal out of William Barr ignoring the subpoenas, but Eric Holder was straight up like fuck you when he was subpoenaed by the house multiple times.

No one cares, this is just political theater, none of this actually matters.

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u/ProDiesel Nov 26 '22

We have endless money to investigate each other for decades, but we can’t fix major issues that exist within the country?

We can send billions to other nations to help, but we can’t help our own because we’re so busy infighting.

America is broken and the 24 hour outrage porn cycle that is the news is majorly to blame.

Thank god a generation is growing up and coming into the work force that doesn’t waste their time on that shit. They have their own hurdles, but anything has to be better than this ancient wheel that keeps on turning and pumping out the same unsatisfying shit.

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u/pixelburger Nov 26 '22

Trump led an insurrection. McCarthy’s kangaroo court should be ignored by everyone.

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u/PlayedUOonBaja Nov 26 '22

Refuse until the Republicans agree to work with Democrats to pass legislation that does not allow him to refuse. Then he can agree and we'll know that in the future everyone will play by the same rules.

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u/thatguyp2 Kansas Nov 26 '22

Can, but probably won't. Because unlike Trump, he's not a coward

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u/Butch1212 Nov 26 '22

Just point out the obvious. A subpoena would lack any credibility on any merit and is conspicuously MAGA politics, all of a piece of stealing the 2020, 2022 and 2024 elections and the insurrection. Play hardball. Expose them every step of the way for their fraudulent claims and evil intentions.

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u/WeGotDaGoodEmissions Nov 26 '22

He could ignore the subpoena like Trump or acknowledge it and testify for 12 hours straight without batting an eye like Hillary, leading to the entire Republican narrative falling apart as usual. Either way he wins.

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u/KamSolis Nov 26 '22

Somehow I don’t see Joe doing that. He will end up testifying for hours because he knows this is all bogus. Just like Hillary did in the Benghazi hearings.

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u/TheRealSnorkel Nov 26 '22

And republicans would throw a hissy fit because only THEY are allowed to ignore things they dislike.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

He could but he shouldn’t. We don’t fight lawlessness with more lawlessness.

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u/Low_Cardiologist7030 Nov 26 '22

They so badly want a smoke show to distract people from their bullshit.

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u/Nolis Nov 26 '22

How little respect for the intelligence of their voter base do these republicans have where they're making up all these nepotism claims against Biden, and DONALD TRUMP was the previous republican president... It would be laughable how gullible republican voters are, but they have the ability to vote for these incompetent morons

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u/branded Nov 26 '22

Half of me is like, "Yep. Trump and Republicans set a precedent that Presidents can ignore subpoenas."

But the other half of me is like, "Biden should just comply with everything."

That way, Trump supporters would see that the Biden had nothing to hide and Trump was obviously hiding something and then they can finally ditch Trump... right?

.... right???

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u/LunarTaxi Nov 26 '22

“Biden has always denied playing a role in Hunter Biden's business dealings, but Oversight Republicans made clear their investigation was about the president, alleging he "has misused his public positions to further his family's financial interests."

Like, sure investigate corruption. If there’s something to uncover then super cool. But the hypocrisy is rich. Oh the hypocrisy is thick.

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