r/politics Nov 26 '22

Kevin McCarthy could face a floor fight for speaker. That hasn’t happened in a century.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/kevin-mccarthy-face-floor-fight-speaker-hasnt-happened-century-rcna58391
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u/Raytheonian Nov 26 '22 Spit-take

The House is gonna be like the Jerry springer show for the next 2 years

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u/thebinarysystem10 Colorado Nov 26 '22

Lol Kevin McCarthy vs MTG for speaker. 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣

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u/Previousman755 Nov 26 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

CSPAN’s remake of Mean Girls

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u/IntelliPleb Nov 27 '22

Top comment right here lol

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u/Pormock Nov 26 '22

He promised her she would be on oversight committees so shes on his side for now but yeah nothing stop her from backstabbing him at any moment

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u/RndySvgsMySprtAnml Texas Nov 27 '22

Which she WILL do. The second he’s not useful to her anymore.

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u/StopReadingMyUser Nov 27 '22

et tu, brutus?

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u/malikhacielo63 North Carolina Nov 27 '22

More like

“Et tū, Brūta?”

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u/27SwingAndADrive Nov 27 '22

Or the second she feels like she's not getting enough attention. Which is every second of every day.

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u/Blankface954 Nov 27 '22

I'm not disagreeing with you whatsoever but she isn't some machiavellian political mastermind of skullduggery. Any appearance of her being so is only because she managed to retain enough info about certain techniques from other more capable politicians. The best she can do is perform a crude simulacrum of said techniques.

Incompetent Marge is more like an orangutan with a shotgun. McCarthy is a joke, a bad joke... but having Marge as speaker would be like handing a stick of dynamite and a box of matches to a toddler, and the GOP can not afford to swallow the damage she would do at this point in time.

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u/spaitken Nov 27 '22

“I thought oversight was going to involve a lot more shooting hybrid cars with scary sounding propaganda words on them - I’m out.”

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u/aqlu Nov 27 '22

Dont throw mtg in the running thinking, "oh that'll never happen." Said the exact same thing about trump because we didnt take him seriously

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u/blackcain Oregon Nov 26 '22

Imagine if MTG became speaker - JFC - the press will probably leave Biden alone. Although I suspect the press will all be about how Biden will make peace with the GOP - cuz that's what they always end up doing - appealing to the grown-ups.

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u/NeoMegaRyuMKII California Nov 27 '22

It won't be about how Biden "will" make peace with them, it will be about how he should make peace with them.

The media formula is always the same:

  • GQP in power: "well they have a mandate from the people. Why SHOULD they consider what the Democratic minority wants?"

  • Democratic party in power: "They are doing these things with zero consideration for what the Republican party and their voters want!"

  • Shared power: "The Democrats should really make concessions to the Republicans and help them do what they want. But the Republicans don't need to make concessions to the Democrats because the Republicans were not elected to advance the Democrats' interests."

It's ALWAYS that way and it is a big part of how we got to where we are.

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u/blackcain Oregon Nov 27 '22

Only democrats have agency. Even funny is how we should give up our agenda in favor of theirs in the name of bipartisanship because ostensibly the people want that despite electing democrats.

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u/whatdowedo2022 Nov 27 '22

This isn’t funny. Democracy is hanging in the balance.

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u/Long_Before_Sunrise Nov 26 '22

They want him as Speaker because the more extreme members can influence him.

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u/Raytheonian Nov 26 '22

Who in their caucus won’t be influenced? 😂

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u/witch-king-of-Aginor Nov 26 '22

Blue state house republicans that want to get re-elected

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u/jellyrollo Nov 27 '22

Apparently the Alaska State Senate just formed a coalition majority between the 9 Democrats and 8 of the 11 Republicans who were just elected, excluding the 3 most extreme Republican members from the majority. I wonder if there's any way Democrats in the House could accomplish something similar?

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u/hippoofdoom Nov 27 '22

This would shiver me timbers so hard it's be way over four hours and I would definitely have to call a Dr.

Alaska is so fewer ppl overall I just don't see it. I guess it's possible though. The candidates from ny state or other areas where they are generally way more "purple" might be swayed and you only need what, four or five to switch and then you're good?

Manchin and sinema did a similar thing hijacking their parties agenda for their own enrichment.

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u/TripleDigit Nov 27 '22

NY state as whole is blue, yes. But many of the red districts within it are not purple, they are red red.

Plenty of them push to stand out against the blue of the state.

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u/spaitken Nov 27 '22

Pennsylvania is much the same way. Large blue pools among a sea of deep, DEEP red with good ol’ boys to rival the Deep South.

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u/khais Nov 27 '22

Yep. Drove to Cooperstown, NY for my nephew's baseball tournament last year. It's a pretty rural area of New York for those that have never been. There were innumerable flags, banners, bumper stickers, etc. bearing hard right, alt-right, or pro-Trump slogans and propaganda.

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u/CpnStumpy Colorado Nov 27 '22

Yes, the result would be Democrats falling for bipartisanship again, where Republicans just take the carrot away at the last minute every time, and then Dems lose seats because their constituents didn't vote them in so they could play republican games.

See: McConnell "I'll vote for SCOTUS nominees from this list, pick one. Oh wait I changed my mind.", "I will raise the debt ceiling and not fight you on budget if you make the Bush tax cuts permanent. Hey thanks! Oh wait, actually it turns out I won't be following through on my word.. appreciate the tax cuts though!"

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u/jellyrollo Nov 27 '22

Yes, the result would be Democrats falling for bipartisanship again

I mean, the alternative is getting nothing done for the next two years, so... if the Democrats can build a coalition with a handful of moderate Republicans and elect a moderate Speaker who will support moderate Democratic bipartisan legislation, I'd say go for it.

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u/boxofrain New York Nov 26 '22

Democrats should find purple state reps and vote in Liz Cheney.

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u/PrincessElonMusk Nov 26 '22

Jesus Christ no. Liz Cheney is a terrible fucking person who helped the GOP become what it is. She’s campaigned on “Democrats kill live babies” and every other abhorrent thing that Republicans have trotted out over the years.

She made ONE half moral call in not bowing to Trump, but she needs to be gone from politics. This bizarre lionizing of her as “so brave and patriotic” that people feel the need to do is insane and should stop.

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u/shep-aard Nov 26 '22

With Rs in the majority, it will essentially be impossible to vote in a non "terrible fucking person". So within those parameters, you have to choose from a limited number of very shitty options.

I don't think the Liz Cheney thing is happening, for the rec. But I would also argue that both things can be true: 1) she's a terrible person, and 2) she'd be a better option than the other possible alternatives (at least from the perspective of functioning government being preferable to the goddamn circus we're about to get).

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u/LegendOfBobbyTables Nebraska Nov 26 '22

In simple terms: all the options are going to terrible fucking people.

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u/shep-aard Nov 26 '22

Yep. The only way we get anyone other than McCarthy is to find one of these terrible fucking people that Dems view as a lesser evil who also has enough ambition to risk ending their career by pissing off their own party leadership AND who can convince a handful of their friends to come along with them.

And to even pull that off, Dems need to be prepared to vote 100% in lockstep with that option when/if it materializes.

I would guess they're already discussing who might fit that bill...

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u/AnalSoapOpera I voted Nov 26 '22

Lmao. Liz Cheney would never get it. She’s hated by both sides and would never get a vote from MAGA Republicans for what she did and she would be a shitty person to get it anyway.

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u/Dreamtrain Nov 26 '22

The only thing you and I agree with Liz Cheney is that Trump is bad, and even then

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u/Legitimate-Tea5561 Nov 26 '22

(Lets go back just a bit further)

A duel to the death it is....draw your cards!

That's settled.

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u/mrmeshshorts Nov 27 '22

Dawg, they’re all extreme. We are about to see two years of unanimous agreement between republicans. The ones in riskier districts (which are exceedingly few now https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/gerrymandering-competitive-districts-near-extinction ) may get a hall pass from time to time on contentious issues to appear “centrist”, but there is no such thing as a “reasonable” republican at this point.

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u/Supra_Genius Nov 27 '22

We are about to see two years of unanimous agreement between republicans.

Who will get none of their crazy agenda done, of course. The Senate will block and Biden will veto anything MAGA to come along.

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u/mrmeshshorts Nov 27 '22

Which means it will be even more wild than normally

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u/maybe_jared_polis Nov 26 '22

We should also want him as speaker because he'd be a weak leader.

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u/niobiumnnul Nov 26 '22

If we got to watch GOP members throw chairs, pull hair, scream, cross, jab, and throw hooks, I'd pay to see that.
I'd pay premium if it turned into a GOP Hunger Games.

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u/OtterApocalypse Nov 26 '22

Agreed. We're paying for it either way, might as well make it entertaining.

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u/code_archeologist Georgia Nov 26 '22

Hopefully the chairs in the chamber are bolted to the floor.

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u/methayne Nov 26 '22

For real. Leader of the cousin fuckers gonna be walloping on the sister kissing clan.

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u/AMC_Unlimited Nov 26 '22

Ted Cruz bringing the Jerry beads for Boebert.

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u/tmdblya Nov 26 '22

How is he even a viable candidate? Guy seems clueless, even for a Republican.

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u/nohbody123 Nov 26 '22

McCarthy isn't actually clueless, he's just the biggest brown noser in the party who has been licking shit off boots to get the speakership for years.

He fucked up his last bid because he said the quiet part out loud (that the Benghazi shit was only drummed up to hurt Hillary).

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u/Previousman755 Nov 26 '22

He has been making office interns call him Mr. Speaker since the GOP clenched 218

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u/Mcboatface3sghost Nov 26 '22

“Unexpected honest”

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u/Pherllerp Nov 27 '22

A GOP house speaker in 2023 doesn’t have to knowledgeable or effective. They don’t govern. They have no legislative agenda.

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u/shadearg Nov 26 '22

He fucked up his last bid because he said the quiet part out loud (that the Benghazi shit was only drummed up to hurt Hillary).

McCarthy sounded a lot more sly and intelligent back then. I don't know what happened that made the hardcore ditz kick in.

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u/ImNotAWhaleBiologist Nov 26 '22

The Republicans got even crazier, that’s what happened.

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u/Which-Moment-6544 Nov 26 '22

During our time during the pandemic we matured a lot.

Prior to the world stopping, we accepted the world boomers had made as one we could just make some minor adjustments to for a better world.

The pandemic really pointed out that we needed to change a shit ton.

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u/ScoobiusMaximus Florida Nov 27 '22

Sounding intelligent cut his support. Sounding like a moron gets him more backers.

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u/arensb Nov 27 '22

McCarthy isn't actually clueless, he's just the biggest brown noser

Oh, he's clueless as well.

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u/garg Nov 27 '22

On June 15, 2016, McCarthy told his fellow Republicans, “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” McCarthy added at the time, “Swear to God.”

Guy knew Trump ties to Russia in 2016. Not clueless at all. Just a very awful person.

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u/GoneFishing36 Nov 26 '22

Yeah, but have you seen the other 218 Republicans?

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u/tmdblya Nov 26 '22

A cornucopia of ineptitude!

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u/MississippiJoel America Nov 26 '22

*217.

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u/DrQuailMan Nov 26 '22

*219 unfortunately

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u/oGsMustachio Nov 26 '22

Basically they need someone between both the normie moderate conservatives and the whackos that both sides feel they can control.
Its going to be a really unstable leadership for whoever gets it.

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u/CoolFingerGunGuy Nov 27 '22

He'll promise shit to everyone to get votes. And then the circus comes into town for 2 years.

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u/LeifLara Nov 26 '22

The freedumb caucus are trashing the GOP from the inside out.

McCarthy is a dumb leader. It’s okay if he stays, it’s also okay if he’s replaced by a lunatic, the GOP don’t need competent leadership. The worse their leaders the faster they will disappear.

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u/ndasmith Nov 26 '22

Special interests will make sure that they can influence DC. If it's not the GOP, it'll be another party.

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u/LeifLara Nov 26 '22

That’s a pessimistic view.

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u/ndasmith Nov 26 '22

It's real politics. No meaningful change happens until at least some members of the elite say OK. Same old song since we formed groups.

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u/Exocoryak Nov 27 '22

People often say "both sides are the same", when democrats hold partial power, because things are moving slowly. When things start moving into the opposite direction, they quickly realize that Republicans have been batshit crazy since the Reagan years and scramble to vote democrats back in. Problem was last time, that Republicans gerrymandered the shit out of a bunch of states and it took a few years for cases to go up the courts and changing demographics to weaken the gerrymanders.

TL;DR: The electorate has the memory of a goldfish.

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u/coleman57 Nov 27 '22

What the elite say ok to is based on what they believe they can fool a majority of voters into supporting. They allowed social security 80 years ago because they were afraid of violent revolt if millions of people literally starved. Likewise Medicare. They would have taken them away if they believed they had an electoral consensus.

GW Bush declared he would do so after his 2004 reelection, but the ‘Pubs in congress dropped it like a hot rock when they heard how their constituents felt about it. McCarthy himself raised the issue again a couple of months ago, but this month’s election put that to rest.

There is a limit to the power of the elite and the self-defeating stupidity of the electorate.

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u/ndasmith Nov 27 '22

Social Security and Medicare are examples of "third-rail politics". People can only be pushed so much until they take a stand. Political donors and leaders in the GOP try to push as much as they can get away with.

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u/Heated13shot Nov 27 '22

I think that theory is called "moonshine Baptists" or "moonshine priests" or something similar. A reference to how some religious leaders that where the most gun ho for prohibition, mainly wanted it to sell more illegal booze and rat out competition.

The theory is, any social change, even if a good one, has some dark influence pushing it along with the good, and often the dark influence is required to actually get stuff done as otherwise there wouldn't be enough push to actually do things.

Or boiled down even more: the elite is greedy and controls most power, you have to feed them to get anything done.

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u/walter1950 Nov 26 '22

Just put Marjorie as speaker, electing McCarthy is the same thing, she would be telling him what to do. I hope it’s a nasty fight just to show America how inept this House is going to be.

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u/ctguy54 America Nov 26 '22

Greene will nominate tump to try to better her chances of running with him as vp.

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u/AnalSoapOpera I voted Nov 26 '22

She will ask Trump to be her VP just like Kanye.

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u/Alan_R_Rigby Nov 26 '22

That would end with her and Trump in a cage match. Do it. Make her Speaker, cowards, and let's get ready to rumble.

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u/Playertee Nov 27 '22

“Show America how inept this House is going to be”

Trust me, everyone by now knows exactly how it’s going to be and has already made up their minds. 48% will vote for literal shit if it had R infront of it.

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u/Exocoryak Nov 27 '22

The ones shouting the loudest are usually not the ones calling the shots. Watch out for the quiet ones - those are the power brokers behind.

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u/Wretchfromnc Nov 26 '22

so the republicans arent even going to worry about inflation, the boarder or price of gas?? after all the promises made during the midterm elections? they promised to bring down inflation??? are you kidding me, they were voted into office to full-fill these promises, have we been lied to again by the GOP? The party of trickle down economics is nothing but a propaganda machine, doing the work of Putin.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke California Nov 26 '22

after all the promises made during the midterm elections?

All I heard were complaints. No solutions or promises to fix it.

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u/Icy_Background8771 Canada Nov 27 '22

The right claims government IS the problem and when in power do everything they can to embody that position. So, ipso facto, the Republicans ARE the problem.

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u/msfamf Nov 26 '22

I'm going to guess you dropped this: /s

Just in case though... yeah that's exactly what you're seeing. All that stuff was just said to get elected and now it's going to be "Culture war!", "Woke!", "Hunter Biden's laptop!", gridlock, investigations into whatever bs they can drum up to make someone look bad, likely a government shut down or 2 (or at least the threat of one), and maybe just maybe enough Republican infighting to be a bit amusing. The next 2 years are going to be posturing and gridlock.

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u/Wretchfromnc Nov 26 '22

I did, but on purpose,, some people actually voted for these fuck heads thinking they were going to do something for the American people.

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u/NotEveryoneIsSpecial Texas Nov 26 '22

Inflation is already starting to trend downwards so I am sure they will find some time next year to take credit for that after doing absolutely nothing to address it.

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u/msfamf Nov 26 '22

Want a good laugh? I've already heard mumblings about how just the promise of the Republican led House coming in January has enough weight to start driving down inflation this far out from them taking office.

But it's not a cult

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u/xavier120 Nov 27 '22

Also it is starting to see diminishing returns, they had to gerrymander the living fuck out of house seats to even get this tiny majority they have. The longer they go without policies solutions the harder it will be because voter suppression only works in 5% increments.

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u/Rapzid Texas Nov 27 '22

The current GOP loves owning themselves after they finish owning the libs. This is why they couldn't pass infra, healthcare, or border security bills during Trump's first two years(well, and Trump blowing up all the bipartisan efforts when Rush calls him weak for it).

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u/wonkifier Nov 26 '22

My first question from the headline was: How old IS Kevin McCarthy that he might have been challenged a century ago

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u/coleman57 Nov 27 '22 edited Nov 27 '22

Kevin McCarty looks like he’s only aged about a decade in 66 years, so it’s possible

https://unobtainium13.com/2020/10/26/horror-scenes-that-i-love-the-end-of-the-original-invasion-of-the-body-snatchers/

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u/IT_Chef Virginia Nov 27 '22

I adore the fact that the Jewish Space Lazer Lady had McCarthy by the balls.

Congrats asshole, you and your ilk did this to yourselves.

Go. Go sit in that pile of shit you built. Go, be proud of your festering "party" you spineless coward.

Go investigate Hunter. That will totally fix gas prices and our inflated grocery bills.

Impeach Biden, that will absolutely correct the southern border immigration issues.

I really hope the collective US wakes the fuck up to see the grift and stupidity of the GOP and marches towards a more just, fair, and equal world.

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u/MonicaZelensky I voted Nov 26 '22

Seems like hopium. The GOP always falls in line

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u/inkslingerben Nov 26 '22

Wishful thinking, the scenario I would like to see is the Democrats vote as a block for Hakeem Jeffries and the Republicans split their votes, and Jeffries becomes Speaker because some Republicans voted for him.

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u/Todesfaelle Canada Nov 26 '22

That's the dream.

Under normal circumstances that'd be pretty amazing to happen but under these circumstances it'd be absolutely bananas as we watch the GOP simultaneously implode and explode.

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u/ChooseWisely83 Nov 26 '22

That would be pretty cool actually, doubtful to happen but would be the chef's kiss to the GQP asshats.

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u/scsuhockey Minnesota Nov 26 '22

The Speaker has to win an absolute majority of all voters, so your scenario can’t happen unless 10 or more GOP representatives vote “present” or aren’t in attendance.

McCarthy will be Speaker after the MAGAs extract sufficient concessions from him. However, he may not be elected on the first ballot.

My modest hope is that, on the second ballot, Newhouse (a Republican Trump impeachment voter) wrangles four “moderate” GOP buddies and conspires with the Dems to elect himself Speaker. Even though Republicans would still control the House and Speakership, at least we’d finally move past the “Big Lie”.

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u/inkslingerben Nov 26 '22

The Dems would need just 5 Republican votes to cross over. Then it would be 218-217.

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u/scsuhockey Minnesota Nov 26 '22

Dems would never get five Republicans to vote for a Democrat, but they might get five Republicans to vote for a Never Trump Republican.

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u/frozen-marshmallows Nov 26 '22

Thats what was suggested

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u/spongebue Nov 27 '22

The top-level comment suggested Jeffries, a Democrat.

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u/FuckinTiredNumber Nov 26 '22

He’d be hated by his own party for such a stunt. There no way he’d get anything done or re-elected. The impeachment thing is different, it was specifically for Trump. This would be “betraying” his actual colleagues and party to work with Dems like that. They’d call him a Dem puppet or something.

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u/scsuhockey Minnesota Nov 26 '22

The question is; would pulling it off successfully open more doors than it closes? Only so many people have ever served as Speaker in US history. He could name his price as a speaker/pundit/fundraiser were he to lose his next primary, but odds are his constituents wouldn’t vote out an active Speaker. Also, though he’d be maligned by many, he’d be revered by a profitable few. You know Cheney would have jumped at the chance.

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u/karatemanchan37 Nov 27 '22

Yes, you'd need a lame duck candidate to pull this off - like someone willing to retire in 2024.

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u/BuckRowdy Tennessee Nov 26 '22

If he's savvy enough to pull this off, he's savvy enough to get enough of his own members behind him.

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u/DorisCrockford California Nov 26 '22

Very interesting idea. I totally can see the Democrats voting for an anti-Trump Republican when they know they can't get a Democrat. Anything to block McCarthy.

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u/No-Guarantee-6728 Nov 27 '22

Exactly this. Also even if the Republicans screw up that bad and Jeffries becomes speaker, they have the majority and can vote him out… then bicker even more about who should be speaker.

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u/claireapple Illinois Nov 27 '22

of the 10 that voted to impeach trump him and David Valadao are the only ones to win reelection.

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u/ianrl337 Oregon Nov 26 '22

Or the dems do some dealing and Cheney gets the speakership. That could be more likely then republicans voting democrat for the speakership. Also means the Jan 6 committee would probably continue.

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u/cocacola1 Nov 26 '22

It's been a time for breaking precedents, to be sure, but I'm not sure I like the precedent of someone unelected becoming the Speaker – especially not if she wants to run for President in 2024, which she's expressed interest in doing. Someone from the ranks – voting as a block for Jeffries & the Republicans splitting the vote, or working to get a moderate Republican who won by a hair as Speaker, would, I think, be much better.

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u/yoosernamesarehard Nov 26 '22

Cheney lost her re-election prior and come the new term, she will not be a representative anymore. However, speaker rules don’t specify that it has to be an elected representative so she could be speaker, but that won’t happen at all.

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u/unloud Nov 27 '22

Make Chief Justice Roberts Speaker of the house; watch his head explode being up there again. 🤣

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u/poop_scallions Nov 26 '22

Cheney has been trying to focus the Jan 6 report mostly on Trump, which would lessen the focus on other Republicans.

That sounds a lot like Rod Rosdstein "landing the plane" with the Mueller Report.

She's gotta be a hard pass.

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u/VELOCIRAPTOR_ANUS I voted Nov 26 '22

I hope the dems pull the ol razzle dazzle on them and literally unite behind a super moderate republican

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u/Due_Cauliflower_9669 Nov 27 '22

Oh dear. How awful. I would hate to see the GOP in disarray.

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u/ArizonaSki Nov 26 '22

Can’t wait to watch history happen

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u/Brunt-FCA-285 Pennsylvania Nov 26 '22

I mean, if you can guarantee me that they won’t allow us to default by crashing through the debt ceiling unless Biden defunds social security or dismantles the Inflation Reduction Act, sure - it would truly be the years of popcorn. That’s my biggest concern.

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u/Prestigious_Ebb_1767 Nov 26 '22

The GOP trash fire never ceases to deliver.

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u/nonamenolastname Texas Nov 26 '22

Kevin "premature ejaculation" McCarthy. Even if he becomes speaker, he won't last long.

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u/cratermoon Nov 27 '22

I hasn't happened in a century and it won't happen now. Congress does very little actual business on the floor, and what they do is either ceremonial, mandated, or showboating.

Everything is resolved in closed-door meetings now, with only sitting reps and lobbyists present. The GOP especially doesn't do business in the light of day.

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u/red23011 Nov 27 '22

I'm hoping that some Republican in the House will nominate Trump. It'll make it so that the Republicans would have to vote against him on record or Trump becomes Speaker, which is a job that requires a lot of hard work and intelligence to pull off, which means that Trump would get nothing done as Speaker. It's a winwin.

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u/BlankVerse Nov 26 '22

Bring out the popcorn!

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u/el_tacomonkey Nov 26 '22

Please let this be resolved via dance battle

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u/A_Downboat_Is_A_Sub New Jersey Nov 26 '22

"You Got Served: Achy Breaky House"

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u/Rude_Handle2258 Nov 27 '22

They should just go old school and have a duel.

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u/hurricanegrizzly Nov 26 '22

A good round of fisticuffs? I’d watch that on CSPAN

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u/whyreadthis2035 Nov 26 '22

The operative word here is could. Let’s not get excited until it does. The Republican Party tends to get in lockstep when power is at stake.

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u/tophman2 Nov 27 '22

I hope like 6 “moderate” republicans break and vote for the democratic leader

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u/Ser_Dunk_the_tall California Nov 27 '22

More likely is Democrats voting for a moderate Republican to cause discord in the Republican party. Could also negotiate not to fuck with Democrats committee assignments in exchange. Gives a nice fuck you to McCarthy too for him to lose the speakership to like 5 Republicans and the Democratic party. The margins in the house are so slim right now that anyone threatening defection has serious leverage over the vote right now. Or if anyone just can't be there for any reason

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u/Next-Home111 Nov 27 '22

I agree with the thoughts about Liz Cheney. She is a conservative Republican who is interested in maintaining democracy. Don't mistake her bipartisan work as anything more than that.

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u/ooouroboros Nov 27 '22

Has any potential speaker in ALL OF AMERICAN HISTORY condoned a terrorist attack on the Capital?

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u/udar55 Nov 27 '22

"Clearly a sign that the Dems are in disarray." - Mainstream media

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u/jrkesscopter Nov 27 '22

Hand’em both mouth guards and some gloves and broadcast that shit on espn.

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u/printerjammed Nov 27 '22

Wish I wasn’t banned from posting on r/conservative

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u/Atsetalam Nov 26 '22

He lost the fight at super cuts

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u/p001b0y Nov 26 '22

I thought they were threatening to elect Trump as speaker.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke California Nov 26 '22

That dream died when the red wave turned into a pink tinkle.

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u/DggOrbiter Georgia Nov 26 '22

I wanna see democrats put forward a moderate democrat or moderate Republican as an alternative. That’d be so fucking cool

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u/jamesmr89 Nov 26 '22

And this kids is why you don’t shit where you eat.

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u/Pithyperson Nov 26 '22

I keep thinking the Dems should nominate and vote for a moderate Republican. There are a couple of those.

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u/Saffuran Nov 27 '22

I wish "Floor Fight" meant they actually had to resort fisticuffs for it.

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u/Impressive-Truck-200 Nov 27 '22

Nice. I like a good floor fight between people I don’t like. Even when they lose I win.

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u/theedevilbynight Nov 27 '22

two authors, (barely more than) one paragraph

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u/HorseLooseInHospital America Nov 26 '22

Kevin, My Kevin, he's going to be a Great Speaker, but if he somehow doesn't get it, then maybe I won't like him as much that's all I'm saying, because I'm Very Strong and I like Strength, you can't be a Weak Republican because then you're either a RINO or a Democrat, it's very simple. and they need to immediately put to a stop all of these Phony Radical Left Investigations, which are costing Taxpayers millions and billions of dollars. we had, we were Number One in everything for 4 Years. I gave you 4 Years of Perfection, no Wars, no Poverty, but now you have America being close to Homeless under the Radical Left. George Washington is probably rolling over in his grave right now, that much I can tell you.

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u/DragOnDragginOn Nov 26 '22

The random capitalization is a very nice touch.

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u/ChooseWisely83 Nov 26 '22

Do you do birthday parties? /s

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u/HorseLooseInHospital America Nov 26 '22

people say to me all the time they say, "Sir, having you at my Birthday would be more incredible than winning the Lottery," and I said you'd better believe it, because my Speeches are very much loved by a lot of people, you have others who are not so good at it, but I'm Perfect, just like I am in everything else. Perfectly Good Looking, Perfectly Modest, Incredibly Rich, they say I'm what everybody wants to be. and you won't get that with Sleepy Joe. he almost fell off the Bus the other day, just like Gerald Ford. remember that, when he fell off the Bus?

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u/Spin_Quarkette New York Nov 26 '22

Ugh.. and so the circus begins.

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u/DragOnDragginOn Nov 26 '22

Continues....

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u/Brunt-FCA-285 Pennsylvania Nov 26 '22

Same as it ever was.

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u/whatproblems Nov 26 '22

remember the last two that tried to corral that circus?

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u/loodog Nov 26 '22

It's a walk off!

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u/Mashant Nov 26 '22

ready for Kevin's humiliation. When Speaker Pelosi threatened to put his in contention, we knew he doesn't have the votes.

Also, keeping you in my heart this holiday weekend.

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u/Safetosay333 Nov 26 '22

I demand satisfaction.. Let them duel.

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u/Clifford996 Nov 26 '22

I wish it was a REAL fight on the floor. Three five minute rounds for the gavel!

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u/Red_Carrot Georgia Nov 26 '22

Would love for the democrats to back a moderate Republican speaker!

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u/jlefebvre34567 Nov 26 '22

If Trump is a loser and shouldn’t run in 2024, why is McCarthy even being considered? He comes from the Trump loser faction.

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u/losthalo7 Nov 26 '22

Star Trek fight scene music...

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u/ScoobyDoobyDidnt Nov 26 '22

‘Floor fight’ sounds like it has the makings for a pay-per-view event.

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u/Memd0 Nov 26 '22

Marge is going to nominate rump

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u/Jay_Bird_75 Nov 26 '22

I’m voting for a chain-link cage and they both get a chainsaw.

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u/bellboy905 Nov 26 '22

No one could possibly deserve this more.

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u/legalstep Ohio Nov 26 '22

I’m rooting for the floor

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u/NoWayNotThisAgain Nov 26 '22

Am I the only one enjoying the hell outta all the maga infighting?

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u/EaglesPDX Nov 26 '22

Dems need to tell 10 sane GOP'ers to pick on themselves and the Dems will back them for Speaker.

Are there 10 sane GOP'ers in the 2023 Congress?

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u/donobinladin Nov 26 '22

I’d buy that pay per view

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u/rodimusprime119 Nov 26 '22

It has happened before on the state level where the gop had a super slim majority where one of the more purple gop cuts a deal with the democrats to get speaker. I think the deal was they get to keep a few of the chair spots on committees and not to f with committees.

A smart gop could do that here as well.

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u/blackcain Oregon Nov 26 '22

Imagine if a MAGA person got in - it would be a fucking clown show - but they'd be literally playing the violin as they fuck things up.

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u/ClassicT4 Nov 26 '22

Considering where that party is headed, there’s going to be a literal fight at some point.

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u/TheRagingAmish Nov 26 '22

He couldn’t win speaker in 2016. People left the room crying when they realized. In what universe does he think now is different?

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u/hickorysbane Nov 26 '22

Let's make it an actual fistfight

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u/soccercro3 Nov 26 '22

So I need help understanding procedure on Speaker vote. Does the entire chamber vote on Speaker? I listened to a talking head on fox news (at the gym that some old person put and then walked away from the tv) and he was talking about how he thinks democrats shouldn't be allowed to vote on Speaker since democrats forced pelosi down their throats.

Because the only way I see his view point being a thing is if they fear D's would steal enough votes for somebody else other than McCarthy.

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u/pensezbien Nov 27 '22

Yes, the entire chamber votes on the Speaker, as per US Constitution Article I Section 2:

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers

("chuse" just being a now-obsolete spelling of "choose")

The system isn't designed for political parties, even though they came into existence almost immediately. The modern practice is that, a few weeks after each congressional election, the newly elected (or re-elected) set of representatives of each political party conduct party-internal elections to pick that party's nominee for Speaker. Then, on the first day of the new Congress (January 3), every member of that party votes for that party's nominee for Speaker. if one party has a majority and all members vote for the nominee that won the party-internal election, they'll win, which is the usual outcome. But the minority party does routinely vote for their own candidate on the floor of the House, and that's been true throughout US history no matter which party is in control. The actual threshold for electing a Speaker is an absolute majority of those representatives present and voting when the election is held. Not plurality, absolute majority, excluding absences and explicit abstentions.

That talking head on fox news is either confused about how the system works or disingenuously spouting propaganda. Of course the Democrats chose Pelosi when she was their nominee and they had the majority. Same way it always works.

The rare bit is simply that enough elected representatives of the next Congress's majority party (Republicans) are saying they won't vote for their party's nominee to put the expected outcome of the Speaker election in jeopardy. The Democrats have nothing to do with causing that situation since the Republicans won an absolute majority of representatives in the election.

If sufficient dissenting votes do get cast for the first ballot to fail, there isn't a specific guidebook to what to do next, other than that the House can't conduct any other business until they successfully elect a Speaker.

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u/Shaman7102 Nov 26 '22

Thunderdome!!!!

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u/--harumph-- Nov 27 '22

I vote yes to watching Republican fisticuffs.

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u/BigDigger324 Nov 27 '22

Please tell me a floor fight is a real fist fight and the person running against him is jacked….maybe?!

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '22

Shit is sticky, you can wash it but it lingers.

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u/ironmaiden7910 Nov 27 '22

Good. Fuck him.

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u/Theskullcracker Nov 27 '22

We could potentially see Speaker Brian Fitzpatrick in the coming weeks.

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u/TheRickBerman Nov 27 '22

The Constitution intended for the Speaker to be an independent that didn’t even need to be an elected rep.

This was influenced by the UK House of Commons were the Speaker renounces any party allegiance, no longer votes and is focused entirely on stopping the role of Speaker being used to marginalise the minority party.

In the UK, this commitment to independence means you have a situation like today where the Government, with a huge majority, selected a Speaker from another party.

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u/SensibleInterlocutor Nov 27 '22

A bout of fisticuffs Perchance?

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u/TheseTax254 Nov 27 '22

Pop corn 🌽 ready

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u/badhairdad1 Nov 27 '22

GOP - Gods of Pettiness

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u/KnotSoSalty Nov 27 '22

Maybe I’m naive, but if there’s not 218 votes for any house member, a compromise bipartisan candidate might be necessary.

Call me crazy, but Liz Cheney is the first name that comes to mind. A stone cold Republican that also has bonafide anti-trump credentials. Probably the only Republican that Dems could get behind. She obviously wouldn’t turn around and become a successful presidential candidate, support against trump heads up pols around 4%. Republicans could vote for her as a principled conservative.

This is complete fantasy of course.

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u/mabhatter Nov 27 '22

It goes by who gets the most votes. If the Democrats stick together and all vote the same then the rouge dozen GQP reps trying to preen and pose for the media could very well cost McCarthy the seat.

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u/photato_pic_guy Nov 27 '22

Like MMA style? I would totally pay to watch Marge vs McCarthy in the cage.

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u/nunziavaer543210 Nov 27 '22

i think marge will win, she "trains" at gym

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u/rickzipler Nov 27 '22

To the death?

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u/ZookeepergameOk8231 Nov 27 '22

GOP can’t govern and their own conference is ungovernable. We are going to have endure 2 whole years of Gym Jordan screaming about Hunter Biden’s laptop. For a change of pace, they will get back on the Benghazi train.

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u/corneliusbut Nov 27 '22

House of Representing: Wrestling match I hope!

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u/Middle_Wishbone_515 Nov 27 '22

may i suggest baseball bats?

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u/all-over-red-rover Nov 27 '22

“He doesn’t have the votes,” said Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., a leader of the conservative Freedom Caucus. “Some of the stages of grief include denial, so there will be some denial and then there’ll be the stage of bargaining where people are trying to figure out … will there be some kind of consensus candidate that emerges.”

Fucking lol, that's brutal

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u/amiracle19 Nov 27 '22

I thought the Republicans were going to elect Trump as Speaker if they won the majority…or was it JFK Jr.? It’s so hard to keep up with the ever changing GQP agenda.

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u/n00guY Nov 27 '22

He deserves EVERYTHING that comes his way. Couldn't happen to a better guy 😅

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u/M-V-P623 Nov 27 '22

A floor fight for the house sounds way more exciting than it will be. Let’s give it a run, have them fight it out, bare knuckle boxing. Yeah, it’ll at least be satisfying to watch them pummel one another.

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u/LettuceFew5248 Nov 26 '22

Democrat optimism in a Republican implosion gives me real Charlie Brown kicking the football vibes.