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Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Denmark struck a deal to run their 200+ advanced fighter jets as a single fleet, creating a new headache for Russia Russia/Ukraine
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u/BMCarbaugh Mar 27 '23
Unified Nordic Defense Force sounds like something out of Ace Combat.
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u/ApprehensiveEmploy21 Mar 27 '23 •
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u/TriTexh Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
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u/Shotguns_x_559
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Now you brought the Vikings back together, damn it
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u/4-3-4 Mar 27 '23 •
Flykings.
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u/KingoftheMongoose Mar 27 '23
Flight of the Valkyries.
If they don’t name their joint Air Force The Valkyries, then they ain’t doing it right.
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u/apocolipse Mar 27 '23
If they don’t name their joint Air Force The Valkyries, then they ain’t doing it right.
And their floating fleet The Scanda-Navy
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u/danish_raven Mar 27 '23
The great Viking fleet
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u/SeeTheObjective Mar 27 '23
Do we get the Great Heathen Army back too?
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u/rocketman0739 Mar 27 '23 •
Sorry, best I can do is the Great Nominally-Lutheran-But-Probably-Half-Atheist Army.
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u/albl1122 Mar 27 '23
What do you say Raven? Should we grab an axe and depart for England.
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u/danish_raven Mar 27 '23
We are traveling to the land of the rus to stake the ancient Swedish claim to that area
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u/apocolipse Mar 27 '23
Hah, fun fact: The word Rus itself came from what the Finns called the Swedes who moved to what is now Russia. The Finns called them Routsi, which came from the old norse term for "men who row". It was an exonym based on what they did, row boats :P.
But that alone just paints a hilarious scene of a couple of Finns on the shore looking at a boat of Swedes, asking each other "who do you think those guys are?", and then the swedes all shout "row! row! row!"... So the Finns go "Aah ok i guess that's their name then.... [goes back to being Finnish]"
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u/Fiftyfourd Mar 27 '23
TIL: Exonym - a name for a place or group of people that is only used outside that place or group.
Thanks stranger!!
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u/ChipJohannes Mar 27 '23 •
Why does the Norwegian Navy have barcodes on all of their ships?
So they can Scan-da-navy-in
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u/philosoraptocopter Mar 27 '23
“Then why does it say ‘Die Walküre, die’ ?”
“Oh that just means “the Valkyrie…the!”
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u/saabfather Mar 27 '23
Skol🍻
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u/ggalaxyy Mar 27 '23
Skål🍻
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u/Dahack Mar 27 '23
Hölkynkölkyn🍻
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u/MARIJUANALOVER44 Mar 27 '23
en to tre, en två tre, en to tre
yksi kaksi kolme
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u/AppleDane Mar 27 '23
Jeg elsker dig!
Jeg elsker deg!
Jag älskar dig!
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u/999_hh Mar 27 '23
I hope I’m not stereotyping, but awesome Viking nose art, unit logos, and call signs would really put this arrangement over the top for me.
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u/texasred2022 Mar 27 '23 •
I find it interesting how time changes our perception of people. Vikings are viewed as pretty badass today but I wonder how they would be viewed in modern times. Killing unarmed civilians, burning down churches, pillaging, looting would probably be seen unfavourably to say the least. If you include the whole dying in battle to go to Valhalla thing, they would probably be on par with modern day terrorist groups like ISIS.
Just an observation, it was so long ago that it doesn't even matter.
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u/JosebaZilarte Mar 27 '23
They would certainly not be regarded positively by other countries... But internally, they were far from just being small groups of pillagers or terrorists. They saw themselves as conquerors and, while they often attacked coastal regions in relatively small groups (a few dozen warriors on 1-3 ships), they had no problem coming together to form a proper army and invade entire countries.
The closest thing that comes to mind were crusaders, although without a religious "excuse".
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u/The_Power_of_Ammonia Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 28 '23
"Look at all these small silly people! They collect all their treasure and beer into a single undefended building by the river, and expect us not to raid it!"
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u/kamelizann Mar 27 '23
They also laid down roots everywhere. At first they just plundered and conquered, but it wasn't long before they conquered and traded/built settlements. The Normans and the Rus both started out as Vikings and then they just sort of decided to stick around.
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u/northboundbevy Mar 27 '23
They get a pass because that was 1000 years ago when what they did was not out of norm in general and they have since moved on to be rather nice global citizens.
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u/Paperfishflop Mar 27 '23
The thing though is the Vikings had their beliefs about Valhalla in a time when people didn't know where the sun went at night. Jihadists believe this in a time when we have the internet, satellites, have calculated and learned the history of the Earth.
Everything the Vikings did was comparable to what other civilizations did at some point. What the Vikings did to England and France in the 7th and 8th centuries, England and France pretty much did to various civilizations around the world in the 18th and 19th centuries. There was just this idea the English were "sophisticated" when they shot human beings out of cannons.
The Vikings were seen as barbaric because they conquered some people who, unlike them, were literate, and people who were part of the Roman Catholic church, so the narrative was about how barbaric the Vikings were because they didn't have the customs of the Roman Catholic world.
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u/VertexBV Mar 27 '23
the English were "sophisticated" when they shot human beings out of cannons.
Like in the circus?
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u/Ni987 Mar 27 '23
Time to reclaim what is rightfully ours…
https://www.history.com/.amp/news/vikings-in-russia-kiev-rus-varangians-prince-oleg
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u/thoughtplot Mar 27 '23
unified Nordic air defense
That's fucking awesome. It even sounds cool.
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u/goblueM Mar 27 '23 •
Russia studying how to strike the NADs
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u/zulu166 Mar 27 '23
The Government Organized Nordic Air Defense.
Putin's gonna get fucked by the big GONAD.
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u/greek_stallion Mar 27 '23
This invasion has done more to unite the European continent that anything else in the past 50 years
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u/TheShadow8909 Mar 27 '23
We just need an imminent threat to unite - the same with the world, if aliens would invade ^
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u/thoughtplot Mar 27 '23
Gimme that Bill Pullman speech sound bite should aliens ever invade.
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u/teh_fizz Mar 27 '23
Goddamn is that speech fucking fire.
That pause he starts with, “Mankind, that word..” really sells it, that he’s making this up on the spot, that he started the speech wanting to motivate the troops but ends up giving a speech so fucking good some guy in a helmet saluted the fuck out of it only to be immortalized some nearly 20 years ago.
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u/Jetflash6999 Mar 27 '23
That speech hits so hard I still tear up when I hear it. I saw that movie in theaters in 1996. It has been almost 30 years, and it still gets me.
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u/teh_fizz Mar 27 '23
Don’t do this to me. It’s only been 20 years.
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u/glassgost Mar 27 '23
It wasn't even that long ago. Dad and I saw that when I was 14. I'm only...oh, huh. Damn.
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u/12_B Mar 27 '23
Same here. A group of us went to see it...can still see that group of boys walking out of the theater. It's one of my stronger childhood memories! Grew up in a rural area so basically other than landlines, we as friends didn't see each other a ton over the summers until we could drive. And I think that was before we got internet connection so no AOL IM yet either lol.
For all the trouble we face today, it often amazes me that we got to grow up at the pre-internet technological peak of mankind.
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u/lapennaccia Mar 27 '23
"and you will once again be fighting for our freedom, not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution -- but from annihilation."
The goosebumps.
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u/GavinZac Mar 27 '23
I don't think I've heard that speech in 20 years and my mind still autocompleted the sentence on the pause.
If we could put a very large spacecraft in the air with "changes that are slow to a human (but nearly instantaneous to a species) that will negatively affect the ecological systems on Earth that make our current lifestyles possible and introduce problems for our children that we cannot even foresee" written in large menacing typeface across the bottom, and solve them by having someone blow it up with a crop duster, we'd be in a much better position. So I think we might have been better off with the aliens.
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u/tallandlanky Mar 27 '23
Hey boys, remember me?!
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u/_ThunderFunk_ Mar 27 '23
I’m baaaaaaaaack!
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u/ThinkPath1999 Mar 27 '23
Except for the fact that Randy Quaid is sadly now a full fledged maga nutjob.
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u/FelDreamer Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
After rewatching this, it’s occurred to me that a certain celebrity ex president (US) may have been trying to emulate Pullman’s energy in this scene during his many, many, oh so many speeches.
Of course, what really comes out is less Thomas J. Whitmore, and more Mayor Humdinger, what with all the “Me, me, ME!”
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u/FelDreamer Mar 27 '23
Lol!! The laziness of it all is perfection!
“You keep using that term, deepfake, but I do not think it means what you think it means.”
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u/Boomshank Mar 27 '23
Yeah. That was a shallowfake at the very most.
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u/Ghost33313 Mar 27 '23
Shit like this has been done since the dawn of the internet. Is just a bit more polished since they aren't using Adobe Flash. Deep fakes are probably a bit too involved for these guys.
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u/FelDreamer Mar 27 '23
To be fair, they gave it the ol’ college try with that silly trading card grift. That’s about the best one could hope for from them, though. Especially considering they just allow the interwebs to do all the work for them, dredging the cesspool for content whenever they feel they’re not getting the attention they deserve.
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u/MoreGull Mar 27 '23
Good morning (feedback). Good morning. In less than an hour aircraft from here will join others from around the world and you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. Mankind, that word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can’t be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it’s fate that today is the 4th of July and you will once again be fighting for our freedom. Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution but from annihilation. We’re fighting for our right to live, to exist, and should we win the day the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday but as the day the world declared in one voice,“We will not go quietly into the night. We will not vanish without a fight. We’re going to live on. We’re going to survive. Today we celebrate our Independence Day!
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u/daveinmd13 Mar 27 '23
This is only a headache for the Russians if they plan to invade a Nordic country. They have no interest in attacking Russia. Damn those Nordics for making it harder for Russia to take over!
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u/BillyTenderness Mar 27 '23 •
Well, given that Norway and Denmark are NATO members, Finland is going to be one within months, and Sweden will be one if Turkey ever chills out, I'd say it's also a headache for the Russians if they plan to invade Poland or the Baltics. And while that doesn't seem terribly likely, neither did a full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
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u/dirtballmagnet Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
And also remember that Russia is already moving to annex its bitch, Belarus, so they already share
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u/olderkj Mar 27 '23
They share a border regardless, because of Kaliningrad.
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u/mandelbomber Mar 27 '23
Yeah, but it's not as easy to get supply lines to Kalinigrad but ultimately you are correct
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u/An-Angel-Named-Billy Mar 27 '23
They can barely hold the chunk of Ukraine they are occupying right now, in what fantasy do they not only totally defeat Ukraine but also have anyone left to then try to invade Poland?
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u/daveed1297 Mar 27 '23
The one where Putin knows he's dead if he sustains a flat out loss so he escalates to total war in hopes of NATO not having the stomach for it. I don't think it's wise or likely but we can't rule it out
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u/Mahatma_Gone_D Mar 27 '23
Genuine question, why does Turkey not want Sweden as part of NATO?
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u/C4242 Mar 27 '23
They want something in return. They have veto power, so it's simply "I can do this for you, but what can you do for me".
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u/NeverPostsGold Mar 27 '23
Nominate Putin for peace prize! /s, obv.
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u/emdave Mar 27 '23
Do it, then arrest him in Stockholm when he comes to pick it up :D
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u/LostViking123 Mar 27 '23
Peace prize is awarded in Oslo, but your plan still works out
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u/Ok_Imagination_7119 Mar 27 '23
The vikings have returned! But to the skies instead!
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u/supercoupon Mar 27 '23
So skykings?
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u/areukeen Mar 27 '23
Valkyries duh
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u/nobodyspersonalchef Mar 27 '23
Does this mean we can craft flying horses in Valheim? I'm still working on bronze items
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u/Thememebrarian Mar 27 '23
Like a Nordic Voltron....please let them all connect together
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u/Braakman Mar 27 '23
Do you want pillaging? Because that is how you get pillaging.
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u/boarhog Mar 27 '23
They didn't agree to unify their fleet, i.e. their organisations and militaries are not fusing together. What they did is they agreed to increase the cooperation and sharing of information of their air forces so they can use each other's airbases and share radar and other intelligence.
Source (in finnish): https://yle.fi/a/74-20024262
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u/Almostasleeprightnow Mar 27 '23
Probably a better move. I can imagine a plan to unify multiple countries' air forces just resulting in pissing contests all the way up the line. This makes more sense.
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u/ArisTHOTeles Mar 27 '23
Am prepared to spend the entire oil reserve if it means pissing longer than those damn swedes!
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u/Oletkaunis Mar 27 '23
Honestly, Nordic cooperation works pretty well as we all try to one-up swedes lol.
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u/EvenHair4706 Mar 27 '23
Curious what language they use for coordination. English?
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u/filipv Mar 27 '23
English is the lingua franca of aeronautics. You can't fly (almost) anywhere if you don't know English.
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u/videki_man Mar 27 '23
Yep. There were many crashes in aviation history because of the lack of English knowledge by either the pilots or the ground crew.
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u/rachel_tenshun Mar 27 '23
Super irrelevant but that makes me think of the SNL skit where the airplane pilots pass out and the passengers have to land a plane in Scotland guided by a Scottish air traffic operator and it's HILARIOUS.
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u/Attention_Bear_Fuckr Mar 27 '23
Or the ad where a ship in distress is contacting the coast guard:
"Mayday, mayday, we are sinking. Over."
"Ja?.....vot are you sinking about?"
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u/MultipleScoregasm Mar 27 '23
lingua franca
I alwasy though it was ironic that the term we use to describe the universality of English was.... Not English.
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u/CanuckPanda Mar 27 '23
Even better that it’s a liturgical language that, outside the Church, hasn’t been used for a thousand years!
Using Latin to describe English as the “language of the Franks” (the French-ish) as “language we all know” is funny to me.
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u/gloriouaccountofme Mar 27 '23
language of the Franks
My language still refrence the French as Gaulls
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u/TRKlausss Mar 27 '23
Yo yo stop right there, until the 1800 Latin was the language to communicate Science knowledge. Universities taught in Latin, Newton, Gauss and Leibniz released their theories and theorems in Latin, biology and medicine inherit all their terms from Latin… So was not so “death”, just used by the elites that studied, that were really limited.
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u/moeburn Mar 27 '23
I heard of a surgery where a world class surgeon had to fly in to China but didn't speak any Chinese and the doctors didn't speak any English, so they communicated in Latin, since both country's medical schools involved a lot of Latin.
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u/Cosmos1985 Mar 27 '23
Old Norse. Written communication in runes.
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u/LordAlfrey Mar 27 '23
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u/medicaldude Mar 27 '23
To be fair those runes would look badass on the HUD of a jet fighter
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Mar 27 '23 •
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HERE IS YOUR OFFERING, METAL WAR BIRD. TAKE ME TO VALHALLA!
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u/LordAlfrey Mar 27 '23
Imagine taking classes on norse runes in order to become a fighter pilot
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u/FilippusRex Mar 27 '23
Don't know if people care, but fyi, those runes are of the Elder Futhark and was not used to write old Norse, but rather Proto-Germanic and Proto-Norse. The more accurate runes are those of the Younger Futhark.
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u/qtain Mar 27 '23
Have the updoot, but I'll have to remove marks for it not being written in the proper Edda prose manner.
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u/Padmei Mar 27 '23
English is the language of aviation. Taught English to a pilot in Germany (black work) and we studied runways, takeoffs and all that kind of stuff.
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u/PB_JNoCrust Mar 27 '23
It’s insane how counter productive Putin has been. He united the west in a way that hasn’t been done since WWII, he made NATO expand, the border that NATO shares with Russia has grown, he has created hatred within Ukraine that will transcend generations, and western countries are now increasing their military spending and modernizing— a lot of which is driving money into the U.S. defense industry. Bravo Putin, you fucking nitwit.
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u/008Zulu Mar 27 '23
This would make it one the largest air-forces in the world, yes?
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u/WorldNetizenZero Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
They're not unifying air forces, the title is somewhat misleading.
They're creating a common air defence light, which means national assets are working together. Think national radars feeding data constantly to others, allowing another nation to launch an intercept.
There's no American-Canadian Air Force, despite the US and Canada having a common air defence for 60 years.
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u/filipv Mar 27 '23
Correct. One of the most technologically advanced too.
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u/fredagsfisk Mar 27 '23
Well, as soon as Sweden is done constructing the Gripen E variants which are "on order", and the others get their F-35s, at least.
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u/Aurora_Fatalis Mar 27 '23
Norway has already been performing international operations with their F-35 fleet. Might be more on the way, but they do claim "Initial Operational Capability".
Incidentally I thought Princess Ingrid Alexandra was one of the F-35 pilots, but I can only find articles talking about how she piloted an F-16 when she was 17 years old.
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u/beirch Mar 27 '23
She was a passenger and only got to control the craft for a moment.
It was during a visit to commemorate the F-16s service.
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u/johntheboombaptist Mar 27 '23
You have a teenage princess fighter pilot? Are the nordic countries an anime?
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u/-Apocralypse- Mar 27 '23
Fun fact: King Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands actually has a pilot's license for military as well as the big cargo stuff. He anonymously flies KLM airliners on occasion to keep up with the needed hours.
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u/Fackostv Mar 27 '23
It's up there, but not in the top ten
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u/ToothChance2623 Mar 27 '23
What ten airforces have more than 200 5th gen fighters? I can think of the US.. maybe UK, China and France? I think Russia got like 10 5th gen fighters
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u/UglyInThMorning Mar 27 '23
Russia got like 10 5th Gen fighters
That’s being waaay too generous to the Su-57. It has the RCS of a Super Hornet and Russia’s claims for its sensor array is a big ol “press X to doubt” given what’s known about their electronics industry.
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u/God_Damnit_Nappa Mar 27 '23
Well the Su-57 can't be detected by NATO radar if it never flies outside the interior of Russia. Therefore stealth.
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u/UglyInThMorning Mar 27 '23
The first one decided to maximize stealth by burying itself in the ground during its delivery flight.
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u/hackingdreams Mar 27 '23
Well, there's the United States Air Force.
And then there's the United States Navy.
And also the United States Marine Corps...
(Oh, and soon the United States Space Force too... because they need jet planes too, how else are they gonna spend their billions of inflated budget?)
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u/Gnonthgol Mar 27 '23
Also on the list is United States Army Aviation Branch which includes about 200 crewed aircraft, 3,500 helicopters and about 10,000 UAVs. No fighter aircraft though, unless you include some of the UAVs which are capable of defending themselves against other aircraft.
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u/Ct-5736-Bladez Mar 27 '23
As for the last one I hope the forgo the jets and get space ships with missiles
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u/nmarshall23 Mar 27 '23 •
I guess technically Goa'uld Death Gliders aren't jets because they don't use jet engines...
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u/NovaSierra123 Mar 27 '23
Iceland looking from the distance be like: where air force?
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u/Troglert Mar 27 '23
Fun fact, Norway and some other countries take turns stationing fighters in Iceland to protect them
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u/Semtec Mar 27 '23
And Icelandic people are fully able to join the Norwegian military.
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u/namtab00 Mar 27 '23
wow TIL
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u/areukeen Mar 27 '23
They're the only allowed foreigner to do so, if you except Scottish penguins.
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u/Alundra828 Mar 27 '23
If this new fleet isn't called something badass like "The Fennoscandian Valkyrie Squad" was this even worth it?
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u/HughGrimes Mar 27 '23
The great Viking Air Force.
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u/chosenone1242 Mar 27 '23
Norway, Denmark, and Finland have all committed to the F-35 jets which are the most advanced Western fighter planes.
How dare you!?
Love,
Gripen Swede
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u/mando44646 Mar 27 '23
this war has backfired on Russia's interests so badly. How hasn't Putin been forcibly replaced yet?
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u/Kiljukotka Mar 27 '23
I think his potential replacements have had serious cases of acute defenestration
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u/Ramble81 Mar 27 '23
Realistically he still holds some power over the oligarchs or they're still making just enough money. If they were to start losing more money you'd see a regime change. I doubt these guys are blindly loyal.
(Sadly it doesn't have much to do with how bad it is for the common man)
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u/Allemaengel Mar 27 '23
As an American all I can say is this is awesome news and I wish the new Scandinavia+Finland air force alliance the best.
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u/nastram22 Mar 27 '23
Norway is bossed up . Don't mess with norway
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u/chadowmantis Mar 27 '23
It's like Mayhem, Opeth, Children of Bodom (🥲) and Mercyful Fate touring together
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u/SpaceToaster Mar 27 '23 •
Introducing NATO+